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Special General Meeting – Q&A with Metropolitan Police

The Chelsea Supporters Trust are pleased to announce our next Special General Meeting will be held on Saturday November 9th at 3pm after the Crystal Palace game at the Atlas pub.

After our normal business we are pleased to say that we will have a question and answer session with officers from the Metropolitan Police who deal with football matches at Stamford Bridge and across London.

To enable our guests to be able to give detailed answers, if you have a question, we ask that you send your question in advance. Send your question to the email address  membership@chelseasupporterstrust.com by Tuesday November 5th, so that we can forward them on.

Date and Time
Saturday 9th November 2019
Start Time – 3pm 
 End Time  -5pm

 Venue

The meeting will be held in the upstairs room at The Atlas, 16 Seagrave Road, London, SW6 1RX.   It is  a 15-20 minute walk from Stamford Bridge
https://goo.gl/maps/KDBHqTbbkN9c6Mdu5

Attendance

Attendance at our meetings are open to paid up, voting members of the Trust only.

We hope as many of you as possible will attend in person but as there is limited space available, to avoid disappointment, please confirm that you will be attending by emailing membership@chelseasupporterstrust.com

Membership to the CST costs £5 per year and includes a free pin badge. You can sign up easily from our website https://chelseasupporterstrust.com/cst-membership/registration/

We appreciate that not everybody can attend, we are hoping to be able to record the meeting and post it online.

 

Foodbank collection at Brighton game

Chelsea Supporters Trust are pleased to announce that our next collection for the Hammersmith and Fulham Food Bank will be on Saturday 28th   September before the Brighton game.

We have been advised that  they are currently critically short of food so your support is more vial than ever.

The collection point will once again be adjacent to the cfcuk stall which is situated opposite the Fulham Broadway Centre, next to the old Fulham Town Hall and on the corner of Fulham Road and Cedarne Road.

The stall will be manned from approximately 12pm and donations can be left until roughly an hour before kick off (2pm). We are extremely grateful to Chelsea FC once again for allowing us to store the donations at Stamford Bridge before being collected by the food bank staff.
Cash donations are always gratefully received too!

The following items are urgently needed,

  • Long life/UHT milk and juice
  • Tinned fruit
  • Tinned Vegetables
  • Small bags of rice
  • Tinned rice pudding
  • Other puddings e.g sponge, angel delight, etc.
  • Small jars of instant coffee
  • Washing tablets, small boxes of powder

At the moment they have plenty of

  • Feminine hygiene- pads and tampons
  • Baked beans
  • Pasta
  • Tea

Further collections will be made at the   Newcastle home game.

Foodbank collection at Liverpool game

Chelsea Supporters Trust are pleased to announce that our next collection for the Hammersmith and Fulham Food Bank will be on Sunday 22nd September before the Liverpool game.

The collection point will once again be adjacent to the cfcuk stall which is situated opposite the Fulham Broadway Centre, next to the old Fulham Town Hall and on the corner of Fulham Road and Cedarne Road.

The stall will be manned from approximately 1pm and donations can be left until roughly an hour before kick off (3.30pm). We are extremely grateful to Chelsea FC once again for allowing us to store the donations at Stamford Bridge before being collected by the food bank staff.
Cash donations are always gratefully received too!

The following items are urgently needed,

  • Long life/UHT milk and juice
  • Tinned fruit
  • Tinned Vegetables
  • Small bags of rice
  • Tinned rice pudding
  • Other puddings e.g sponge, angel delight, etc.
  • Small jars of instant coffee
  • Washing tablets, small boxes of powder

At the moment they have plenty of

  • Feminine hygiene- pads and tampons
  • Baked beans
  • Pasta
  • Tea

Further collections will be made at the  Brighton and Newcastle home games.

Foodbank collection at Sheffield United game

Chelsea Supporters Trust are pleased to announce that our next collection for the Hammersmith and Fulham Food Bank will be on Saturday 31st August before the Sheffield United game.

The collection point will once again be adjacent to the cfcuk stall which is situated opposite the Fulham Broadway Centre, next to the old Fulham Town Hall and on the corner of Fulham Road and Cedarne Road.

The stall will be manned from approximately midday and donations can be left until roughly an hour before kick off (2pm). We are extremely grateful to Chelsea FC once again for allowing us to store the donations at Stamford Bridge before being collected by the food bank staff.
Cash donations are always gratefully received too!

The following items are urgently needed,

  • Long life/UHT milk and juice
  • Tinned fruit
  • Tinned Vegetables
  • Small bags of rice
  • Tinned rice pudding
  • Other puddings e.g sponge, angel delight, etc.
  • Small jars of instant coffee
  • Washing tablets, small boxes of powder

At the moment they have plenty of

  • Feminine hygiene- pads and tampons
  • Baked beans
  • Pasta
  • Tea

Further collections will be made at the Liverpool, Brighton and Newcastle home games.

Foodbank collection at Leicester City game

Chelsea Supporters Trust are pleased to announce that our collections for the Hammersmith and Fulham Food Bank will re commence on Sunday 18th August before the Leicester game.

The collection point will once again be adjacent to the cfcuk stall which is situated opposite the Fulham Broadway Centre, next to the old Fulham Town Hall and on the corner of Fulham Road and Cedarne Road.

The stall will be manned from approximately midday and donations can be left until roughly an hour before kick off (3.30pm). We are extremely grateful to Chelsea FC once again for allowing us to store the donations at Stamford Bridge before being collected by the food bank staff.
Cash donations are always gratefully received too!

The following items are urgently needed,

  • Long life/UHT milk and juice
  • Tinned fruit
  • Tinned Vegetables
  • Small bags of rice
  • Tinned rice pudding
  • Other puddings e.g sponge, angel delight, etc.
  • Small jars of instant coffee
  • Washing tablets, small boxes of powder

At the moment they have plenty of

  • Feminine hygiene- pads and tampons
  • Baked beans
  • Pasta
  • Tea

Further collections will be made at the Sheffield United, Liverpool, Brighton and Newcastle home games.

CST VAR Education Visit

Representatives from the Chelsea Supporters Trust attended education sessions regarding VAR at the Stockley Park HQ last week.

Video Assisted Referee (VAR) was voted in unanimously by Premier League clubs to be introduced for the 2019/20 season and until they vote against it, it is here to stay.

VAR philosophy is “minimum interference, maximum benefit,” which, of course remains to be seen!

The system has been tested extensively over nearly three years and the Premier League now believes they are ready to go live. The system has been shown and explained to football club staff, players, journalists, media pundits, commentators and supporters representatives.

The words “open” and “transparent” were used a lot during the session.

Who is the referee? What happens when there are lots of games going on at once?

Every match has its own dedicated team featuring a VAR , an Assistant VAR and a Technical Expert. Therefore if 10 games are played simultaneously such as happens on the last day of the season, there will be 10 VAR teams each monitoring their game.

The assistant keeps watching the game in play while the VAR is reviewing a decision. The VAR is a fully qualified Premier League referee; next season when the match day referees are announced for the coming round of PL games, they will announce the VAR for each game at the same time.

If the system breaks down (for example there is a communications failure somewhere breaking the link between the VAR Control Centre and the ground), there should be an announcement inside the ground letting everyone know that VAR is not in operation, and another when it is back on again. This is apparently the protocol for the goal line technology we already have in place.

What does use of VAR cover?

The VAR system covers ‘clear and obvious errors’ and ‘serious missed incidents’ in relation to goals, penalties, (straight) red-cards and cases of mistaken identity. The Premier League are pushing the message “minimal interference maximum benefit”

‘Clear and obvious errors’ is probably the most misunderstood or misinterpreted part of this; one of the most contentious uses of VAR is for marginal offsides, how can being an inch on or offside be considered a clear and obvious error? It was made very plain in the presentation that, because they can measure to a high level of accuracy, it is considered a matter of fact and will always be checked – like the goal line technology we have got used to in recent years. You may not agree but that is the way it is treated by the authorities.

When it comes to determining whether a player should receive a red card for a dangerous tackle however, the ‘clear and obvious error’ test does apply. During the briefing we looked at a tackle from a game last season when a late tackle from a defender was given a yellow card, the referee judging it to be reckless but not dangerous; whilst we almost all felt that it was a dangerous tackle worthy of a red, it was also agreed that this was not sufficiently clear cut to overrule the referee’s decision. However another example was shown where it was right to intervene and a red card was issued after VAR intervention – a blatant sending off.
VAR can also be used if it there is a potential case of mistaken identity when a player has been given a yellow or red card.

Doesn’t slow motion make everything look deliberate?

When reviewing incidents of handball or foul play, the review is first conducted in real time to get the sense of the incident, before viewing in slow motion. Handball guidelines will continue to operate to PL standards.

Are all penalty saves going to be retaken?

No, they are not going to forensically examine every penalty save to see if the keeper moved an inch off the line, as seemed to be the case in the recent Women’s World Cup but they will still check for obvious offences – if the goalkeeper is a yard off the line they can expect to be punished.

The interpretation for encroachment seems a bit odd. If defenders rush in, it is only retaken if an encroaching defender clears the ball and not if the striker misses; however if a forward encroaches and the penalty is scored directly, the penalty will be retaken even though the encroaching forward had no direct involvement.

What will the fans in the ground know? Can we see the review?

It was made clear that we will not see reviews being conducted. There are a number of reasons for this: The International Football Association Board (IFAB), the body in charge of setting the guidelines at a global level, will not allow it nor will they allow referees microphone conversations being broadcast; the game in progress is constantly under review; and even when play has stopped and a review has not yet completed, it is felt that it will slow things down – once again this remains to be seen. TV viewers will not be seeing the review either, although they will have more opportunity to look at the incident as they would today in normal play.

What should happen in the ground is that the scoreboard will display a message with the type of review while play is paused, something like “VAR CHECK RED CARD DECISION”. When the review completes the message will change to “VAR COMPLETE” if the decision stands. However if a decision is overturned by VAR then the screen will announce this and a clip of the incident in question will be shown on the scoreboards in the ground. There are at least a couple of grounds in the Premier League where there is not a screen, in which case the review and result will be announced over the PA system. At the moment no advertising or sponsorship will be allowed on the VAR screen.

When does the VAR review incidents? Can players ask for a review?

This is definitely not well understood. The game is being constantly reviewed by the VAR and his assistant from the first kick to the last. Teams do not get ‘appeals’ to ask for reviews because the VAR team is continuously reviewing the game and all incidents within their scope. The only situation we could come up with when a player could ask for a review is an off the ball incident which no one has spotted in real time.

Players will have to get used to this – and if they run after the ref making huge TV screen gestures telling him or her to review the massive injustice they have just witnessed, they will get booked. However it is fine to ask the ref have you checked such-and-such and make a small TV gesture whilst doing so. In this respect it is the same as the situation today when asking if a player should be carded being OK or waving imaginary red cards at all and sundry being a bookable offence.

Are we going to see the ref running to review incidents four or five times a game?

That is not supposed to happen, although the referee always makes the final decision. There will be situations where the ref will want to make a call after reviewing it on screen, but generally it is expected that the on field ref will trust the VAR and only use the Referee Review Area (RRA) for unseen incidents or when the VAR information is outside the matchday referee’s expectations. It was also felt that referees consulting in the RRA would only add to the time taken for the decision to be made and would only be used as a last resort.

Will we get the time back spent waiting for a VAR review?

Yes and No. The time added on at the end of each half will be the time added by the referee as is the case today plus the time spent waiting for a review advised by the VAR team. All well and good, but if an incident occurs, say a penalty offence is missed by the referee and action continues for another two minutes before the ball goes out of play or goes quiet enough for the ref to stop play, and we then go back to award the penalty, the two minutes of playing time following the foul that has been ruled ‘dead’ is not added back on. A penalty that should have been awarded in the 85th minute finally gets taken in the 88th minute after 30 seconds additional review, only the 30 seconds is added on. The assistant VAR will be keeping a record of the time taken for reviews and will pass on the figures to the match referee at the end of each half.

How is offside judged?

The practical session using VAR was really helpful for this. We had a series of video clips with various situations from last season, with the full range of camera angles to support the process. As in a real game, the technician was there to support us as we acted the role of VAR. It was our job to conduct the reviews, spot incidents, check goals etc whilst the ‘live game’ continued on the big monitor in front of us.

This cleared up one of the big questions, as it had never been entirely clear which frame should be used to freeze play for offside as contact can last several frames. The very first contact with the ball is the key point in time. So checking a decision, you first roll back and forward a frame at a time to establish the kicking point. All the other screens (you have 4 showing different angles when conducting a review) are synchronised. Having established the precise point of contact, you then zoom in on the players in question, find the rearmost point of the defender that can play the ball and the system uses 3D to drop a line down to the pitch and thus across the field. You then repeat that for the forward. If the attacker’s red line is closer to goal than the defender’s blue line, it is offside.

This was fine for a clear decision when a player was obviously offside by say 3 inches, but when trying to judge the top of the forward’s shoulder to work out if a player was offside by less than an inch it felt extremely uncomfortable.

With practice this should be done quickly – the Harry Kane penalty incident in the League Cup last year should not have taken 4 minutes… nor should the linesman have stopped as though about to flag. Linesmen are having to be retrained not to flag immediately if the decision is close; we can only hope they learn quickly when doing it every week.

A goal results from a corner which should have been a goal kick. Will the VAR overrule it?

No. The system is not there to re-referee the whole game, only to look at the phase of play that led to the goal. What defines the relevant phase of play is something that a lot of time has been spent on to trying to reach agreement on… and not all players or coaches appear happy with the result! Particularly when an example used to illustrate the point featured their team conceding a goal 30 seconds or more after a striker should have been flagged for offside…

In a nutshell, the phase of play might be defined in reference to factors such as:

– the point where a team gains possession;
– the last point at which the defence was able to ‘re-set’
– when the defence last had a chance to clear the ball

There was agreement with the principal but it can be foreseen that this leads to a lot of arguments; the decision on when to start the VAR review will no doubt cause a few discussions next season. This is, to steal a phrase form the late Douglas Adams, one of those “rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty” to which we will have to get used to in the coming season.

In conclusion…

Don’t shoot the messenger! We still have reservations about the introduction of the system but feel through the programme of education that is underway, we finally have some clarity on how it will be operated. Having experienced sitting on the hot seat, albeit in a training situation, it gave us a great insight into how hard the VAR job can be; apparently one of the VAR technicians commented that at the end of game they often could not tell you the final score, so intensive is the process. It should also be noted that the technicians are not allowed to work on games involving the team they support!

The joy of seeing a goal go in will be somewhat tempered once we have gone mad for 60 seconds only to see it wiped out – the current system is quick but as we know not always right. If VAR was as quick to make a decision for offside as the current technology for determining whether the ball has crossed the line, it would be very welcome. There was still a feeling that fans in the ground should be able to witness the reviews when play has stopped and a review is in progress.

On the plus side, some of the atrocious tackles that are missed by refs will be picked up and punished immediately. We think this is great as it will benefit the team whose player has just been two-footed, rather than a small advantage to the next few teams that their opposition play as that play may be suspended following the games. Also unlike the current system, whereby the level of media attention can determine whether the FA charge any given player, this should always be dealt with on the spot to an fair standard for all.

Hopefully decision making on key incidents will improve, and although they acknowledge that they will never get to 100%, an improvement on the current Key Match Incident accuracy of 81% must be welcomed. We are about to find out.

Foodbank collection at Wolves game

Chelsea Supporters Trust are pleased to announce that our next collection for the Hammersmith and Fulham Food Bank will be before Sunday’s league game against Wolves.

If you are coming to the game on Saturday, the collection point for donations will once again be at the CFCUK stall which is opposite the Fulham Broadway Centre and next to the old Fulham Town Hall,

It is important to note that you will need to please bring any donations there by 1.15pm, as we need to get them in storage before the match.

Our thanks, as always, go to Chelsea FC who are kindly providing us with a storage facility for the donated items.

We hope you can give generously from the list of items below or if you can spare any amount of money that is also welcome.
Items that they urgently need are :
• Juice (long life)
• Long life sponge puddings
• Long life milk
• Tinned vegetables
• Tinned meat
• Rice pudding
• Coffee
• Toilet roll (and other toiletries
Please note they already have plenty of beans, tea and pasta

Thank you for your generous support.

For further information about Hammersmith and Fulham Food bank, visit their website or find them on Facebook and Twitter.

Special General Meeting with Special Guest, Henry Winter

The next CST Special General Meeting will be held on Saturday 20th October at 15:30 pm (after the Chelsea v Man Utd match) at The Atlas Pub (upstairs) 16 Seagrave Road London SW6 1RX 

 

The Venue

The venue for the SGM is the upstairs Bar of The Atlas Pub in Seagrave Road, 15 minutes’ walk from Stamford Bridge and close to West Brompton underground station. Attendance at the meeting is open to paid up voting members of the Trust only. Membership to the CST costs £5 per year and includes a free pin badge. You can sign up easily from our website and we accept payment by credit or debit card or via PayPal. We hope as many of you as possible will attend in person but as there is limited space available, to avoid disappointment, please confirm that you will be attending by emailing membership@chelseasupporterstrust.com 

Unable to Attend?
With thanks to the Chelsea FanCast, overseas members or those unable to attend in person will be able to listen to the meeting live and interact online at www.mixlr.com/chelsea-fancast. Minutes and a podcast of the SGM will be available following the meeting.

AGENDA

  1. Introduction
  2. Chairman’s Report
  3. Updates on progress and actions regarding motions passed at AGM (Working Group Reports): –
    • Annual Survey (David Chidgey on behalf of Ramzi Shammas)
    • Supporter Issues (Cliff Auger/Tim Rolls)
    • Community (Cliff Auger)
    • Safe Standing (Henry Fowler)
  1. Members Q & A
    • An opportunity for members to ask the Board questions on issues of concern to them
  2. Any Other Business

Special Guest: Henry Winter, Chief Football Writer of The Times

Henry Winter is chief football writer of The Times. A five-times winner of football journalist of the year in England, Henry is a Ballon d’Or judge and in 2018 covered his eighth World Cup finals.

Henry is one of the most respected football journalists writing today and has always championed supporters’ issues. With a deep love for the game, he inherently understands both supporters importance to the game as a whole and the hardships they increasingly endure in modern football, ruled by big business and money.

Henry also walks the walk as well as talking the talk, evidenced by his engagement with football supporters on twitter and his reading of football fanzines, cfcuk among them. 

In short, Henry ‘gets it’ and we are delighted to have him as our special guest at our SGM. We’ll be talking to Henry about his experiences writing about football for over 20 years; the relationship between football supporters and the football press; why supporters issues are so important to the future of the game as well as his thoughts on Chelsea past and present.

Close
It is anticipated that the formal meeting will end by 17.30/18.00 at the latest.

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Pat Nevin Q&A

Full recording of the Pat Nevin Q&A at the Chelsea Supporters’ Trust SGM held in October…

After the recent Chelsea Supporters’ Trust SGM, we were delighted at have former Chelsea player, Pat Nevin as our special guest.

Pat Nevin is one of Chelsea’s most loved former players and graced the Stamford Bridge pitch with his style and flair in the 1980’s. 

Pat is now a respected and insightful football pundit working predominantly with BBC Radio 5 Live and many Chelsea supporters will have read his erudite blogs in ChelseaFC.com.

Pat talked about his career with Chelsea and gave us his thoughts on the current Chelsea side, modern football and working in the media.

The full Q&A can be heard here:

Special General Meeting 21st October with Special Guest Pat Nevin

The next CST Special General Meeting will be held on Saturday 21st October at 15:30 pm (after the Chelsea v Watford match) at The Atlas Pub (upstairs) 16 Seagrave Road London SW6 1RX 

With Special Guest Pat Nevin

Uppermost in Chelsea Supporters minds at the moment is the issue of Kick-Off times and their re-scheduling for TV. We will be covering this and other subjects in the meeting. In addition, Charles Rose, Chairman, Chelsea Pitch Owners will be speaking to provide us on an update of the CPO’s recent activities. Other issues such as Atmosphere, Affiliations, Safe Standing and Community will be covered in the meeting. You will also have the chance to ask questions on any pertinent matter and get your points across to the board. The formal notice of the meeting and the agenda can be found below.

Q & A with Pat Nevin
The CST board are pleased to advise members that the SGM will feature a Question and Answer session with former Chelsea player Pat Nevin. Pat will be answering questions from the floor on his career with Chelsea and giving us his thoughts on the current side and modern football.

The Venue

The venue for the SGM is the upstairs Bar of The Atlas Pub in Seagrave Road, 15 minutes’ walk from Stamford Bridge and close to West Brompton underground station. Attendance at the meeting is open to paid up voting members of the Trust only. Membership to the CST costs £5 per year and includes a free pin badge. You can sign up easily from our website and we accept payment by credit or debit card or via PayPal. We hope as many of you as possible will attend in person but as there is limited space available, to avoid disappointment, please confirm that you will be attending by emailing membership@chelseasupporterstrust.com 

Unable to Attend?
With thanks to the Chelsea FanCast, overseas members or those unable to attend in person will be able to listen to the meeting live and interact online at www.mixlr.com/chelsea-fancast. Minutes and a podcast of the SGM will be available following the meeting.

Special General Meeting

Saturday 21st October at 15:30 pm

The Atlas Pub (Upstairs) 16 Seagrave Road London SW6 1RX 
(map)
or online via  www.mixlr.com/chelsea-fancast.

AGENDA

  1. Introduction
  2. Chairman’s Report
  3. Updates on progress and actions regarding motions passed at AGM (Working Group Reports): –
    • Supporter Issues (Cliff Auger/Tim Rolls)
    • Annual Survey (Ramzi Shammas)
    • Community (Cliff Auger)
    • Safe Standing (Henry Fowler)
  1. Charles Rose, Chairman, Chelsea Pitch Owners
    • Update on CPO activity
  2. Any Other Business
  3. Pat Nevin Q&A

Pat Nevin, one of Chelsea’s most loved former players, who graced the Stamford Bridge pitch with his style and flair in the 1980’s, is our special guest. Pat is now a respected and insightful football pundit working predominantly with BBC Radio 5 Live and many Chelsea supporters will have read his erudite blogs in ChelseaFC.com. Pat will be answering questions from the floor on his career with Chelsea and giving us his thoughts on the current side and modern football.

Close
It is anticipated that the formal meeting (including the Q&A) will end by 17.30 at the latest.

Overseas members or those unable to attend in person will be able to listen to the meeting and interact live online via www.mixlr.com/chelsea-fancast

 Chelsea Supporters’ Trust
Making your voice heard